Landscape architects are a jack-of-all-trades: we are site engineers, horticulturists, planners, environmentalists, and architects. Unlike our Architect friends who have Revit which brings them into the BIM world for expediting documentation of design and design analsysis, we are stuck with using vanilla CAD.
It contains many duplicate 'features' that are already available in vanilla AutoCAD, though they may not have a fancy button or be as easy to use, but those AutoCAD-integrated tools work! As well, its another layer of software to manage, train someone to use, and most improtantly, for us to pay for. Autodesk should be able to integrate the necessary functionality for landscape architects and offer a product that people can trust and know it will work! Having multiple layers of tools and add-ons does not work well in a real-world office setting.
I'd like to second everything gvanderiet has said. Autodesk has overlooked Landscape Architecture as a profession either intentionally or out of ignorance.
Many of the tools in Revit could be very helful, especially in an urban context where complex vertical and horizontal site features need to be designed, rendered and documented for construction included, but not limited to plants. I work in a multi-disciplinary firm where we design all these things on a regular basis, but at great labor and at great loss of efficiency. Civil 3D grading tools are fine for generating rough TINs with no materials, but when it comes to actual 3D site design - no dice.
This makes BIM for site virtually impossible. I currently have to work in Civil 3D primarily , Revit for coordination with arch , Sketchup for concept design and rendering, Infraworks for contextual visualization and coordination, and a custom CAD plugin for Civil 3D for planting design because the add-ons work very poorly within Civil 3D and are poorly supported.
Autodesk - this is pathetic plea to you - please fill in this gap! I would like to be able to go home at some point and see my family, but I have re-export architectural footprints and elevations and update all my 2D site drawings and then export to sketchup for to model and render. The architects just have to change their graphic style settings by the way. This seems to be a post more about discounted software, not recommended software, however Vectorworks is an interested alternative.
Former Autodesk developers that have been able to put into one package a set of tools not yet seen in an Autodesk product. I can see why they would advocate for Autodesk - despite being the industry standard for architecture, structural and civil engineering, mep, and survey, they haven't engaged landscape.
This soap box post is hardly the first, but merely an explosion of frustration after a useless AU webinar that completely missed the point. I agree that this post is like shouting into the wind. Autodesk seems to be preoccupied with taking their current software solutions and repackaging it as new software i. Autodesk Glue. If Autodesk could at least make Revit engage sloped surfaces better and more accurately and easily integrate with Civil 3D, they might actually offer something useful for site design and evolve beyond the basic antiquated framework of 2D CAD.
ASLA as an organization should be able to show those numbers so that Autodesk can see the potential sales opportunities and recognize that we arent using their software for planting design.
We are knitting together the building and the site - and having to use two behemoths of software. I often feel like its like using a battleship to deliver a glass of milk - and expecting it to not be curdled by the time you get there.
How about just some training packages or style templates that simplify? How about a way to streamline the software to only use what we need? How about a way to pay that reflects our actual use? How about some discounts through ASLA?
I am surprised too that Autodesk doesn't have a bigger presence in your discipline. I will try to reach out internally to see who I can make the suggestion to. I am just a little guy in a big corporation but I will try! You might also submit an Idea in the Ideas pages. HI kas , I didn't mean to imply that Autodesk products aren't being used but merely that it would be nice to provide more discipline specific features to improve the LSA workflow and design process.
Thanks for taking a proactive approach. As a multidisciplinary firm, we deal with many of the interoperability issues inherent with Autodesk products. If Autodesk is looking for someone to give constructive feedback on their products, we would be happy to provide that.
We currently use:. Hi John, I'm using Autocad again after 3 years on vectorworks landmark. Last week I spent 40 hours add plant callouts. This is something that is automated in Vectorworks and I wouldn't have to spend any time on. Can you please look into adding a feature like this? Or if this is for scheduling, you could run a dataextraction and build a table to show each Qty, Size, Species, description, comments etc. Can you share a file on a post or email to john.
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